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Two gardeners reveal how connecting with their gardens helped them find solace and taught them how to live more sustainably. Poppy Okotcha and Kathy Slack discuss their own gardens, and share tips for sowing and growing your own plants, flowers and vegetables.

Okotcha’s memoir A Wilder Way chronicles her relationship with an ever-changing garden in Devon. She is a trained horticulturist and regenerative grower, and advocates for those who are underrepresented and marginalised in the world of horticulture and environmentalism. A regular contributor to the Royal Horticultural Society podcast, she was the ecological expert on Channel 4’s The Great Garden Revolution.

³§±ô²¹³¦°ì’s&²Ô²ú²õ±è;Rough Patch draws readers into the world of the kitchen garden, revealing how she found refuge in a vegetable patch after she was forced to quit her high-flying career in London. She is a food writer, stylist, photographer and kitchen gardener who previously worked at Daylesford Organic Farm, before becoming a full-time writer and recipe developer.

In conversation with Tamsin Westhorpe, the editor of the Horticultural Trade Association magazine and curator and gardener of Stockton Bury Gardens, Herefordshire.

This talk will be livestreamed from Hay Festival.